http://rosaxx50.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] rosaxx50.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] ever_neutral 2013-12-09 06:46 am (UTC)

good post. you may continue.

ngl Cesare/Lucrezia is definitely on my list, though the day I had them at initially might have been pushed out by a new ship. (She says, knowing it will never get done.)

at core it basically combines my bullet-proof kinks of huntsman/queen and possessive destructive love in a gloriously incestuous package. At the same time, it is kind of the perfect story about incest in that it depicts the corruption of an initially functional and mutually fulfilling familial relationship into something completely twisted and abusive.

Yes this so much. And this is why, despite the lolarity of what I've heard the script was, I don't mind that C/L were going to blow up in the not-to-be-made-movie? I mean yes C/L were "endgame" as such, but it is the cruelest darkest endgame possible wherein the one place she thought she could be free turns into "and MINE" as Cesare nonrepentently embraces his feelings--and this might have been great for Lucrezia earlier in s1-2 except Cesare's really pulled out all the stops to becoming, well, Cesare Borgia.

Speaking of, Cesare's s3 arc taking a sudden leap forward after the steps in s1-2, best or best?

It's hugely important that Lucrezia is the one to initiate it (= teh incest sex), for the reason that the life of Lucrezia Borgia is one marked by a lack of agency. She was forced to grow up too fast in unimaginably cruel ways; she is trapped in a system determined to rob her of choices. Ergo, as a character, she is adamant about exercising control over her own life, be it by declaring she will never marry again or by deciding to keep two dudes on the go at the same time.

So, yes, in this case, teh incest sex = reclamation of her life after being nudged into another politically-motivated marriage.


Ya. This. All this. I loved it so much that 3x01-3x03 was a power exercise for Lucrezia as much as her feelings.

The role reversal is a beautiful thing tbh. Not just in the "fall" of Lucrezia, but also the shattering of her illusions about Cesare. He who was once her most trusted guardian, who would murder anyone who harmed her to protect her freedom, is now the reason her husband's blood is on her hands. Finally, she sees him as he is, in the dark -- and at this point, she's in too deep to get out.

Also, yes and no. I think it was less that Lucrezia was blind to Cesare, so much as that she thought he could never do that to her. But of course he could. He's become someone who'll claim possession first and her safety second. But also that's why I can't with bs romanticizing it--though I still found it hot because blood and hands like a hypocrite.

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