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ever_neutralWell, firstly:
+ STEFAN SALVATORE WAS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE WANTED AND MORE.
DECADES, PEOPLE. DECADES. THANK YOU, SHOW. I get the complaints about Stefan inexplicably being a special snowflake to Klaus, but honest to God, I DON'T EVEN CARE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I HAVE WANTED FOR THE ENTIRE SHOW.
And, you know, I think I can say it now, because the show is LETTING me feel it -- I am firmly on the Stefan love train now. I do not give a fuck about what a perfect boyfriend he is or how respectful he is or what a better person than Damon he is or any of that noise. I do not love characters for how correct they are. Stefan willingly throwing himself off the bandwagon because he prioritises his brother over the many innocent lives he's going to take?
THAT IS LOVE, PEOPLE. THIS IS HOW I LOVE.
Also, I fucking love and adore and worship Paul Wesley for PUSHING for this, this whole time. Dude gets it.
+ As for the other brother. Heh, weirdly I don't have much to say about Damon in this episode. He was mostly just lying around dying, so. I was at first a tad underwhelmed by the flashback subplot. (Though more on that in a bit.) Not the Damon/Katherine BECAUSE THEY ARE FLAWLESS IN EVERY WAY. But, because I was expecting maybe some glimpses of the ~change from human to monster. And also for a psychoanalytic character study thing, it didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know -- Katherine was hot and awesome, Damon was her bitch, Nina and Ian together make me vomit rainbows, etc. I already knew that Damon essentially threw away his life for Katherine, that he was disconnected from humanity to such a degree that he cast Katherine as his 'saviour', around whom he built the entire meaning of his existence. I think this episode was more interesting for the possibilities of where Damon will go next. Now that he's dealt with all his ISH. I think Stefan going off the rails and Damon having to help save him will be VERY GOOD FOR THEM BOTH.
+ Oh, but one thing:
VINDICATED.
I AM SORRY. I FUCKING CALLED IT. I MEAN, COME ON. COME ON.
NEVER NOT SHIPPING IT. CANNOT STOP WILL NOT STOP.
+ One thing I'm really not looking forward to seeing bitching about Elena in this episode. I don't think she's being too easy or forgiving, or betraying Stefan, or what have you. Damon's her friend, he's on his deathbed, she's a kind enough person to be kind enough to give him some grace. It's really as simple as that.
+ On that note -- oh dear Lord, Damon and Elena are so fucked up and miserable and pitiable and bring out these throbbing sores in the other so easily, I don't even know what to do with them.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
mollivanders puts it better here. *squishes her* oh, also bluesuzanne here, too.
Now, about that ~much-discussed kiss. lol, I interpret it platonically? I mean, I don't think Elena has purely platonic feelings for Damon, but she kissed him for platonic reasons, if that makes sense. And Damon got that. ("Thank you"/"You're welcome". lololol.) I don't think it was a "pity kiss" or whatever the fuck. Elena never does anything with Damon that she doesn't want to. She kissed him for the first time on his deathbed because she wanted to, just like she hugged him for the first time back in S1 (minutes after he held her hostage…) because she wanted to. ELENA IS LIKE ME, WITH MY NEVER-ENDING VAULT OF COMPASSION FOR THE GUY. DAMON AND I ARE THE SAME. ELENA AND DAMON ARE THE SAME. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYIN'.
No wait, I will say one more thing -- D/E is legitimately pretty flawlessly constructed? Their individual arcs over the season have amounted to them both basically running into death's arms. It's only after being faced with the prospect of immortality that Elena the suicidal martyr realises she wants to live (and it HAD to be Damon who spurred that realisation. it had to be); and only after being confronted with his own mortality does the guy who likes "being the eternal stud" realise that life has meaning, and that he threw it away years ago for an empty dream. (Actually, okay, I've talked myself into liking the flashback subplot better now.) Then there's the symmetry of the perfect, gorgeous, romantic kiss in the S1 finale being FAKE, and this wholly less romantic/aesthetically pleasing kiss being real, bookending Elena's flat statement in the S2 premiere that she'd never kiss him. And okay yeah, I'm going to stop here before I'm tempted to write an essay or something.
+ lol, it is stupid how excited I was by that 5-second Stefan/Katherine scene. DARK OTP, WHERE HAVE YOU GONE? THIS BETTER BE RECTIFIED NEXT SEASON, I'M TELLING YOU. KATHERINE WAS THERE WATCHING THE WHOLE THING FOR A REASON. PLEASE THAT BE FORESHADOWING FOR RIPPER!STEFAN COMING BACK TO TOWN AND GETTING WITH KATHERINE AND THE TWO OF THEM LAYING WASTE TO THE TOWN TOGETHER. this will never happen, but a starved shipper can dream.
+ DAMON AND ALARIC. SOBBING. THAT IS ALL.
+ I KIND OF LOVE KLAUS AND ELIJAH'S BROMANCE A LOT, TOO? Am I the only one who was getting a sexy vibe from that first scene where Elijah was watching Klaus put his clothes on? lol. Also, whatever, Klaus is a hot piece of werepire, haters to the left.
+ Elijah will be back. You just know that Klaus killed him for the LULZ PWNED YOU moment.
+ lol what the fuck is up with the Jeremy storyline. He sees dead people now? Vicki and Anna are actually back? I'd prefer the latter, but I doubt it. And why was that the ~season cliffhanger? rofl. Well, at least Jeremy will be GETTING a story now.
+ Oh, I loved the Alaric-Jeremy bonding. MORE OF THESE ODD CHARACTER COMBOS, SHOW.
Okay that's all my thoughts for now. Heckle at me.
+ STEFAN SALVATORE WAS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE WANTED AND MORE.
DECADES, PEOPLE. DECADES. THANK YOU, SHOW. I get the complaints about Stefan inexplicably being a special snowflake to Klaus, but honest to God, I DON'T EVEN CARE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I HAVE WANTED FOR THE ENTIRE SHOW.
And, you know, I think I can say it now, because the show is LETTING me feel it -- I am firmly on the Stefan love train now. I do not give a fuck about what a perfect boyfriend he is or how respectful he is or what a better person than Damon he is or any of that noise. I do not love characters for how correct they are. Stefan willingly throwing himself off the bandwagon because he prioritises his brother over the many innocent lives he's going to take?
THAT IS LOVE, PEOPLE. THIS IS HOW I LOVE.
Also, I fucking love and adore and worship Paul Wesley for PUSHING for this, this whole time. Dude gets it.
+ As for the other brother. Heh, weirdly I don't have much to say about Damon in this episode. He was mostly just lying around dying, so. I was at first a tad underwhelmed by the flashback subplot. (Though more on that in a bit.) Not the Damon/Katherine BECAUSE THEY ARE FLAWLESS IN EVERY WAY. But, because I was expecting maybe some glimpses of the ~change from human to monster. And also for a psychoanalytic character study thing, it didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know -- Katherine was hot and awesome, Damon was her bitch, Nina and Ian together make me vomit rainbows, etc. I already knew that Damon essentially threw away his life for Katherine, that he was disconnected from humanity to such a degree that he cast Katherine as his 'saviour', around whom he built the entire meaning of his existence. I think this episode was more interesting for the possibilities of where Damon will go next. Now that he's dealt with all his ISH. I think Stefan going off the rails and Damon having to help save him will be VERY GOOD FOR THEM BOTH.
+ Oh, but one thing:
"It's okay to love them both. I did."
VINDICATED.
I AM SORRY. I FUCKING CALLED IT. I MEAN, COME ON. COME ON.
NEVER NOT SHIPPING IT. CANNOT STOP WILL NOT STOP.
+ One thing I'm really not looking forward to seeing bitching about Elena in this episode. I don't think she's being too easy or forgiving, or betraying Stefan, or what have you. Damon's her friend, he's on his deathbed, she's a kind enough person to be kind enough to give him some grace. It's really as simple as that.
+ On that note -- oh dear Lord, Damon and Elena are so fucked up and miserable and pitiable and bring out these throbbing sores in the other so easily, I don't even know what to do with them.
mollivanders puts it better here. *squishes her* oh, also bluesuzanne here, too. Now, about that ~much-discussed kiss. lol, I interpret it platonically? I mean, I don't think Elena has purely platonic feelings for Damon, but she kissed him for platonic reasons, if that makes sense. And Damon got that. ("Thank you"/"You're welcome". lololol.) I don't think it was a "pity kiss" or whatever the fuck. Elena never does anything with Damon that she doesn't want to. She kissed him for the first time on his deathbed because she wanted to, just like she hugged him for the first time back in S1 (minutes after he held her hostage…) because she wanted to. ELENA IS LIKE ME, WITH MY NEVER-ENDING VAULT OF COMPASSION FOR THE GUY. DAMON AND I ARE THE SAME. ELENA AND DAMON ARE THE SAME. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYIN'.
No wait, I will say one more thing -- D/E is legitimately pretty flawlessly constructed? Their individual arcs over the season have amounted to them both basically running into death's arms. It's only after being faced with the prospect of immortality that Elena the suicidal martyr realises she wants to live (and it HAD to be Damon who spurred that realisation. it had to be); and only after being confronted with his own mortality does the guy who likes "being the eternal stud" realise that life has meaning, and that he threw it away years ago for an empty dream. (Actually, okay, I've talked myself into liking the flashback subplot better now.) Then there's the symmetry of the perfect, gorgeous, romantic kiss in the S1 finale being FAKE, and this wholly less romantic/aesthetically pleasing kiss being real, bookending Elena's flat statement in the S2 premiere that she'd never kiss him. And okay yeah, I'm going to stop here before I'm tempted to write an essay or something.
+ lol, it is stupid how excited I was by that 5-second Stefan/Katherine scene. DARK OTP, WHERE HAVE YOU GONE? THIS BETTER BE RECTIFIED NEXT SEASON, I'M TELLING YOU. KATHERINE WAS THERE WATCHING THE WHOLE THING FOR A REASON. PLEASE THAT BE FORESHADOWING FOR RIPPER!STEFAN COMING BACK TO TOWN AND GETTING WITH KATHERINE AND THE TWO OF THEM LAYING WASTE TO THE TOWN TOGETHER. this will never happen, but a starved shipper can dream.
+ DAMON AND ALARIC. SOBBING. THAT IS ALL.
+ I KIND OF LOVE KLAUS AND ELIJAH'S BROMANCE A LOT, TOO? Am I the only one who was getting a sexy vibe from that first scene where Elijah was watching Klaus put his clothes on? lol. Also, whatever, Klaus is a hot piece of werepire, haters to the left.
+ Elijah will be back. You just know that Klaus killed him for the LULZ PWNED YOU moment.
+ lol what the fuck is up with the Jeremy storyline. He sees dead people now? Vicki and Anna are actually back? I'd prefer the latter, but I doubt it. And why was that the ~season cliffhanger? rofl. Well, at least Jeremy will be GETTING a story now.
+ Oh, I loved the Alaric-Jeremy bonding. MORE OF THESE ODD CHARACTER COMBOS, SHOW.
Okay that's all my thoughts for now. Heckle at me.
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Date: 2011-05-14 04:05 am (UTC)ALSO, OF COURSE, KATHERINE LOVED THEM BOTH! It was always too convenient how perfectly the 'It was always Stefan' sent Damon off the deep end. That was just our conniving Katherine trying to pull the boys apart as usual.
And word on the platonic kiss and Elena only doing what she wants to do with Damon. And next season should just be one long epic road trip as they go to save Stefan from Klaus y/y?
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Date: 2011-05-14 04:16 am (UTC)He definitely lost his halo with that one! We've discussed before that Stefan has a real selfish streak and that he's not honest about who he is ... and yep. Both those things were at work, here.
Am I the only one who was getting a sexy vibe from that first scene where Elijah was watching Klaus put his clothes on? lol.
They're brothers. Dude. That's sick!
But, because I was expecting maybe some glimpses of the ~change from human to monster. And also for a psychoanalytic character study thing, it didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know -- Katherine was hot and awesome, Damon was her bitch
Yep. This.
bring out these throbbing sores in the other so easily
Yes, my mind just went someplace bad. Gross bad. Not naughty bad. GROSS.
Now, about that ~much-discussed kiss. lol, I interpret it platonically? I mean, I don't think Elena has purely platonic feelings for Damon, but she kissed him for platonic reasons, if that makes sense.
Yeah, that's exactly what I got, too.
lol what the fuck is up with the Jeremy storyline. He sees dead people now? Vicki and Anna are actually back? I'd prefer the latter, but I doubt it. And why was that the ~season cliffhanger? rofl. Well, at least Jeremy will be GETTING a story now.
Yep! Someone mentioned that he was only seeing dead vampires ... I don't see why it would be that specific, but if it is, we might see Jenna again in that capacity?
Though I am slightly disappointed he is not a zombie/something that CAME BACK WRONG. I am sometimes a little overly fond of garden-variety horror.
(Though I kinda get a classy gay dude vibe from Elijah sometimes).
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Date: 2011-05-14 05:16 am (UTC)I do not give a fuck about what a perfect boyfriend he is or how respectful he is or what a better person than Damon he is or any of that noise. I do not love characters for how correct they are. Stefan willingly throwing himself off the bandwagon because he prioritises his brother over the many innocent lives he's going to take?
THAT IS LOVE, PEOPLE. THIS IS HOW I LOVE.
AAAAAHHHH! I seriously clapped my hands and threw my arms open, as if to hug my laptop when I read this. YES. THIS IS EXACTLY MY FEELINGS. After watching, I seriously went, "All is forgiven, show! You have done everything I could've asked for--aside from NOT KILLING JENNA--but bygones; you gave me Salvatore-brother love/codependency stew, and it is delicious." I am so, so excited. Mainly I'm excited for Stefan to have to face the completeness of his love and need for his brother--it makes up so much of him, that he willingly relinquished EVERY other part. Everything in his identity that is his own (his sobriety, his relationship with Elena, his goodness)--all because he can't bear to exist without Damon. GUH. MY HEART. I LOVE IT SO MUCH, SHOW. MORE OF THAT.
And, oh, Damon. Our boy broke my heart more than a little this episode (but Stefan killed me so much, that the Damon-induced killings weren't so bad). But I loved his apology to Elena and his acceptance that he wouldn't get her forgiveness before he died. And as cheesy as it may have been, I loved the suicide attempt, because I really think he doesn't think Stefan cares. He doesn't believe he matters to anyone. So, he just goes off to die alone.
And I freaking loved the Damon/Elena business in this episode. I've been a little lukewarm on those two of late--but I CRIED ACTUAL TEARS when Elena cried when Damon said that he loved her.
I totally agree about the kiss--platonic, but not pity.
Word about Elijah--homeboy's gonna be back. And I'm actually glad for it. I was really irritated at the end of the last episode with the whole Elijah/Klaus double cross--but I always liked Elijah, so I'm looking forward to him being the one to finally engineer Klaus's demise.
The Jeremy stuff, though--ugh. I'm so sick of that poor kid dying and coming back. I love him, I do. But enough with the fakeouts. Stop killing Jeremy. And if Bonnie could do that, why didn't she try it with Jenna, yo? Not cool, Bonnie.
Klaus is totes a hot piece of werepire. I keep thinking the same thing. Let's keep that bad guy around for a little while--if only for the eye candy.
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Date: 2011-05-14 06:32 am (UTC)YES YES YES AND MORE YES. BRING ON SEASON 3.
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Date: 2011-05-14 06:46 am (UTC)WIN.
I already knew that Damon essentially threw away his life for Katherine, that he was disconnected from humanity to such a degree that he cast Katherine as his 'saviour', around whom he built the entire meaning of his existence.
Sounds a bit familiar . . .
One thing I'm really not looking forward to seeing bitching about Elena in this episode. I don't think she's being too easy or forgiving, or betraying Stefan, or what have you. Damon's her friend, he's on his deathbed, she's a kind enough person to be kind enough to give him some grace. It's really as simple as that.
Who would be the ones to bitch? Stelena fans?
Anyway, I thought about you through ALL THE KATHERINE/DAMON SCENES, because I knew you'd be happy. That's all I got right now.
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Date: 2011-05-14 07:06 am (UTC)lol, they're vampires. Who really cares.
Yes, my mind just went someplace bad. Gross bad. Not naughty bad. GROSS.
*snerk* Whoops. Try not to dwell on it.
Though I am slightly disappointed he is not a zombie/something that CAME BACK WRONG.
I was hoping for that, too. Hey, he could still be one!
(Though I kinda get a classy gay dude vibe from Elijah sometimes).
*nods*
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Date: 2011-05-14 07:23 am (UTC)HEE! *picks you up and dances round* SERIOUSLY. I TAKE BACK EVERY BAD THING I SAID ABOUT STEFAN'S CHARACTERISATION BEFORE THIS POINT. IT WAS ALL CLEARLY ENGINEERED TO GET TO THIS POINT. WELL PLAYED, SHOW, WELL PLAYED.
Our boy broke my heart more than a little this episode (but Stefan killed me so much, that the Damon-induced killings weren't so bad).
Heh, yeah, I'm so used to being emotionally slaughtered by Damon, that it was actually Stefan's emotional slaughtering of me that kind of overwhelmed everything in the episode. Anyway, IA about the suicide attempt following the apology to Elena -- I KNOW a bunch of people are gonna be bitching about how selfish that was, blah blah blah, but that's the thing -- Damon seriously underestimates how much people actually care about him. He doesn't realise how far Stefan will go for him. And oh man, I'm choking up just thinking about those two. THESE BOYS. I CAN'T.
And I freaking loved the Damon/Elena business in this episode. I've been a little lukewarm on those two of late--but I CRIED ACTUAL TEARS when Elena cried when Damon said that he loved her.
HA, I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU? I did not physically cry during the episode, actually, BUT I WAS CRYING ON THE INSIDE. And yeah, it was Elena's reactions in that scene that moved me. I am moved by how moved she is by him. Which is the thing that keeps me coming back with those two, basically.
Stop killing Jeremy. And if Bonnie could do that, why didn't she try it with Jenna, yo? Not cool, Bonnie.
Eh, indeed. I give the writers the stink eye.
Klaus is totes a hot piece of werepire. I keep thinking the same thing. Let's keep that bad guy around for a little while--if only for the eye candy.
Hee, I'm glad you agree! Not been seeing too much Klaus
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Date: 2011-05-14 07:27 am (UTC)No idea, actually. I think S/E fans generally like Elena, so I wouldn't think so? But there will for sure be some sort of slut-shaming, knowing fandom.
Anyway, I thought about you through ALL THE KATHERINE/DAMON SCENES, because I knew you'd be happy.
Hee! THEY WERE SO AWESOME. I AM A SATISFIED CUSTOMER.
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Date: 2011-05-14 08:30 am (UTC)-- I wonder if Jeremy can see all the dead people or just dead vampires or just dead girlfriends. Will be interesting to see.
-- I adore Caroline so much. She brightens even the saddest episodes.
-- " I'm going to stop here before I'm tempted to write an essay or something." Write it! Write it! The more you talk about Delena, the more I'm convinced it's something I should be actively shipping instead of just tentatively shipping to happen at some far-flung future date.
-- Damon/Stefan are the real romance of the story, but I think I already said that on my post, didn't I?
-- We didn't get a hint as to what will be up with Bonnie next season, did we? She just healed Jeremy, and that's it.
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Date: 2011-05-14 08:32 am (UTC)I'm on board. Werepire is way hot.
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Date: 2011-05-14 08:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-14 08:48 am (UTC)dfjadsl;fjadsf oh man, I am so tempted to write that essay. I've got a heap of projects on my hands at the moment -- but I'm thinking of doing that S2 rewatch and paying specific attention to the two of them, and ~see what happens. I need something to tide me over 'til next season. As for shipping - I ship the D/E friendship more than a potential romantic one. I'm never actively rooted for them to ~get together~ so much, you know?
THE SALVATORES ARE SO THE TRUE ROMANCE OF THE SHOW. YOU ARE CORRECT. ♥
I don't think we got any loose ends with Bonnie in the ep. Hopefully she'll be given more story next season.
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Date: 2011-05-14 10:38 am (UTC)She loved them both! I, for one, always thought this and thought it was the most important revelatory moment in the episode.
Can Alaric be Jeremy's daddy now? And Damon be his other daddy? Bromance/mentoring OT3.
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Date: 2011-05-14 11:19 am (UTC)And good for the show. And best of all for us!
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Date: 2011-05-14 01:55 pm (UTC)YESSSSSS. And I love how it's constructed, that of course it's his love for Damon that sends him off the rails. SALVATORES OTP 4-EVA!
Also, I was recently reminded of the scene waaaay back in the beginning when Elena asks why Stefan didn't tell her he had a brother, and Stefan responds, "We're not close." AHAHAHA MY DEAR YOU HAVE NO IDEA. I love that we've watched him come around to accepting how much he loves Damon, to the point where he's willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING to save him.
Damon's her friend, he's on his deathbed, she's a kind enough person to be kind enough to give him some grace.
YES. Exactly. And the kiss, too, is about being kind, I think. Not in a pitying way, just... she wants him to know she does care, even if it's not the way he wants her to.
BUT. I don't think she'd have kissed him if he weren't dying. And he wouldn't have told her he loved her if he weren't dying. And Katherine, of course, being all, "It's okay to love them both." I think there's going to be some D/E awkwardness next season.
PLEASE THAT BE FORESHADOWING FOR RIPPER!STEFAN COMING BACK TO TOWN AND GETTING WITH KATHERINE AND THE TWO OF THEM LAYING WASTE TO THE TOWN TOGETHER.
YESSSSSSS. I want it so bad.
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Date: 2011-05-14 09:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-15 01:26 am (UTC)We had better get some seriously angsty and hot Stefan/Katherine out of all this. WE HAD BETTER. I think their dynamic could be completely fascinating now, because like... he's bad so maybe he'll want her. But like... HE'S NOT THE FINE, UPSTANDING GOODY TWO SHOES SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH. SO LIKE. HOW IS IT GOING TO BE. OMG. I CAN'T. I JUST. IT'S. YES.
No wait, I will say one more thing -- D/E is legitimately pretty flawlessly constructed? Their individual arcs over the season have amounted to them both basically running into death's arms. It's only after being faced with the prospect of immortality that Elena the suicidal martyr realises she wants to live (and it HAD to be Damon who spurred that realisation. it had to be); and only after being confronted with his own mortality does the guy who likes "being the eternal stud" realise that life has meaning, and that he threw it away years ago for an empty dream. (Actually, okay, I've talked myself into liking the flashback subplot better now.) Then there's the symmetry of the perfect, gorgeous, romantic kiss in the S1 finale being FAKE, and this wholly less romantic/aesthetically pleasing kiss being real, bookending Elena's flat statement in the S2 premiere that she'd never kiss him. And okay yeah, I'm going to stop here before I'm tempted to write an essay or something.
Um. Guh. You could write an essay on this. And I would read it with my head in my hands. And show it to every person who gave me crap about liking D/E cos Ian is hot.
+ lol what the fuck is up with the Jeremy storyline. He sees dead people now? Vicki and Anna are actually back? I'd prefer the latter, but I doubt it. And why was that the ~season cliffhanger? rofl. Well, at least Jeremy will be GETTING a story now.
I actually love this - if it plays out how I want it to. I think it has the potential to bring a great mix of serious angst and HUMOUR. OMG. I CAN SEE SO MUCH FUNNY IN IT. ;FDKLGJD;LFKJG.
Jeremy and Alaric were adorbs. AND YES. More bonding between non-bondy twosomes pls.
I basically agree with you on everything, of course.
ESPECIALLY THIS.
+ One thing I'm really not looking forward to seeing bitching about Elena in this episode. I don't think she's being too easy or forgiving, or betraying Stefan, or what have you. Damon's her friend, he's on his deathbed, she's a kind enough person to be kind enough to give him some grace. It's really as simple as that.
A THOUSAND TIMES THIS.
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Date: 2011-05-15 01:37 am (UTC)I, for one, always thought this and thought it was the most important revelatory moment in the episode.
YESSSS. *high five*
HAHA ALARIC IS TOTALLY GONNA BE JEREMY'S PARENTAL FIGURE NOW. IDK about Damon being one since he's such an adolescent himself (lol), but I have been craving more Damon-Jeremy bromance, so I'm with you there.
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Date: 2011-05-15 01:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-05-15 01:43 am (UTC)ROFLMAO FOREVER. NEVER GETTING OVER IT.
I don't think she'd have kissed him if he weren't dying. And he wouldn't have told her he loved her if he weren't dying. And Katherine, of course, being all, "It's okay to love them both." I think there's going to be some D/E awkwardness next season.
Oh, totally. Awkward penguins ahoy. I doubt it'll be the same sort of ~UST as before, though, since I think this whole thing has brought them closer. And also both of them still prioritise Stefan more, so I'm not expecting (or really wanting) any romantic progress.
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Date: 2011-05-15 01:50 am (UTC)I think their dynamic could be completely fascinating now, because like... he's bad so maybe he'll want her. But like... HE'S NOT THE FINE, UPSTANDING GOODY TWO SHOES SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH. SO LIKE. HOW IS IT GOING TO BE.
OMG. YES. OMG. PLEASE EXPLORE THIS, SHOW. Yeah, I think Katherine does love Stefan because he's a better person than her, so there could be something really interesting there with her trying to SAVE him. CANNOT WAIT.
You could write an essay on this. And I would read it with my head in my hands. And show it to every person who gave me crap about liking D/E cos Ian is hot.
AAARRGHHH I AM SO TEMPTED. Seriously, who the fuck legitimately believes that D/E are popular because Ian is hot? I mean, hello, PAUL IS HOT TOO. That logic doesn't fly.
I think it has the potential to bring a great mix of serious angst and HUMOUR. OMG. I CAN SEE SO MUCH FUNNY IN IT. ;FDKLGJD;LFKJG.
Haha yeah, I saw your post and lol'd at that "first time with Bonnie" scenario. Hopefully the show follows through with the... possibilities, both humorous and dramatic.
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Date: 2011-05-15 04:34 pm (UTC)YES. That is love. He literally sacrificed everything for Damon - his life in Mystic Falls, his control over his own addiction, his morality - everything.
I agree with everything you said about Damon, Katherine and Elena. That kiss was platonic but I really hope people aren't throwing Elena under the bus for that because - come on, he was dying. She cares about him. It was the most compassionate thing she could do under the circumstances.
I really want Stefan/Katherine. The lack of it over this season has made me sad.
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Date: 2011-05-16 03:09 am (UTC)I'm pretty sure Elena-bashing is happening as we speak. I've already seen a little of it. Boo.
Ugghhh, I want Stefan/Katherine so baaaaad. S3 better be the season of S/K, let me tell you.
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Date: 2011-05-16 05:12 am (UTC)THAT IS LOVE, PEOPLE. THIS IS HOW I LOVE."
I think this episode really showed the lengths Stefan is willing to go to for Damon. He truly loves his brother so much there is nothing he wouldn’t do for him. I don’t think he’s ever been able to consider life without Damon; that’s why he forced him to turn because he “just needed his brother”. This is where the love is at :) forget about Elena forget about Katherine these two make the show for me! ♥♥♥
- "DAMON AND ALARIC. SOBBING. THAT IS ALL."
*sobs with you* These two just kill me! Alaric, as always, running to Damon’s aid :) They have the most epic dysfunctional bromance ever!
- "I KIND OF LOVE KLAUS AND ELIJAH'S BROMANCE A LOT, TOO? Am I the only one who was getting a sexy vibe from that first scene where Elijah was watching Klaus put his clothes on? lol. Also, whatever, Klaus is a hot piece of werepire, haters to the left."
LMAO dude your definitely not the only one! I was getting vibes too lol I adore Klaus&Elijah I can’t wait to get more flashback scenes of how they used to be. I know we will see Elijah again (thank god!) all they have to do is pull the dagger out right. So I’m not that upset over the fact that he “killed” him. And hell yes Klaus is a hot piece of werepire, Joseph Morgan is a fucking sex beast!
- "Now, about that ~much-discussed kiss. lol, I interpret it platonically?"
I saw the kiss as platonic too. I don’t ship delena but I don’t hate on the people who do. I can admit that there is something there between them. I’m just not sure I would call it love. There is no doubt Elena cares for Damon. There was no passion in the kiss, it was chaste. I have a male best friend and if he was on his deathbed I can imagine kissing him in such a way
I can not wait until next season! This is going to be the longest summer ever *is bitter*
I friended you btw I hope thats cool :)
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Date: 2011-05-16 08:22 am (UTC)Friending is absolutely cool! More TVD discussion buddies = always necessary. :)
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Date: 2011-05-17 02:56 pm (UTC)Agreed - and I think that's actually what will cause the tension. Because they both sorta crossed a line here. Damon never intended for Elena to know he loved her, and Elena probably never intended to kiss him. But now they've done it and Damon didn't die, so... what do they do with that? Just pretend it didn't happen? I think them becoming closer actually make things worse, because they're clearly beyond the usual friendly in-law relationship. And romantic or not, that deep bond probably feels like disloyalty to Stefan, even as they're both trying to save him.
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Date: 2011-05-19 04:48 am (UTC)♥ ♥
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Date: 2011-05-20 02:57 pm (UTC)Kind of like the Spuffy kiss in Intervention.
And poor Elijah. Stop killing him, show! We know he's gonna come back, but being so easily killed is making him lose BAMF points.
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Date: 2011-05-20 02:59 pm (UTC)He did call that werewolf in 2.14 sweetheart...
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Date: 2011-05-20 06:55 pm (UTC)Have you seen
I don't think Elena has purely platonic feelings for Damon, but she kissed him for platonic reasons,... ELENA AND DAMON ARE THE SAME
Oh so much this. And....lolol maybe Stefan dates Elena because she's the human version of his brother? PROXIES. I mean to say. OH my gosh, my brain, where does it come up with this random stuff?
Why does TVD make me write so much? Thank goodness for the summer where we can explore everything now :)
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Date: 2011-05-20 09:00 pm (UTC)Sigh, my poor bb Elijah. I don't really mind him losing BAMF points though, 'cause I think having such a glaring weakness (for his family) makes him more interesting. *pets Elijah*
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Date: 2011-05-20 09:06 pm (UTC)And....lolol maybe Stefan dates Elena because she's the human version of his brother? PROXIES.
LOLOLOL. Now that I haven't heard before.
YESSSS there will be so much fic over the break. I SHAKE WITH ANTICIPATION. :D
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Date: 2011-05-24 09:25 am (UTC)WORD. I would totally read that essay. I love all the parallels the writers set up and knock down. And STEFAN. Magnificent. I am SO EXCITED for where S3 is going. I grin just thinking about it.
btw, I'm going to go ahead and friend you; I hope that's okay. I really enjoy your thoughts on TVD and I badly need more people to discuss it with. :)
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Date: 2011-05-24 10:43 am (UTC)Season 3 CANNOT GET HERE FAST ENOUGH. Seriously.
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Date: 2011-05-31 06:17 am (UTC)IT REALLY CANNOT. I love so much about the things Season 3 is choosing to be.
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Date: 2011-08-18 11:27 am (UTC)Well, Elijah is the ONLY ONE in their family Klaus kept with him/did not kill so yeah, I'm totally shipping it (and Elijah loves his brother). I need some fic about them NOW.
But right now I crave Stefan/Damon more. With the epic co-dependence & weird possessiveness of Stefan (with abandonment issues, young!vampire reaper Stefan was sooo obsessed with Damon not leaving him). And Stefan chosing to become a reaper again & forget about trying to be good because Damon is more important. UNF. THIS.
(is that bad if Stefan started being "really" interesting for me when I realised he was a proper reaper at first?)
"ELENA AND DAMON ARE THE SAME."
So true! (that's saying something about Stefan here XD)
Anyway I agree with everything in this post (especially that Jeremy needs a story of his own, I love the boy).
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Date: 2011-08-19 03:15 am (UTC)That said, 100% word on Stefan/Damon. OTP. (I wouldn't feel bad--ripper!Stefan is the way to be.)
I've always thought Elena and Damon are much more alike deep down (than she and Stefan--who seem a lot more similar on the surface). They have ~an understanding~, lol.
Agreement = yay. (And I have high hopes for the Anna/Jeremy/Vicki storyline for S3.)