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+ Today/yesterday I submitted my final massive boring 35 page report required for the completion of my degree. \o/ Ergo, I will now be more alive. \o/ (Or, you know, /o\ depending on your view.) I'm pretty sure I missed a ton of things while in the depths of my final papers, so if you think there's something of yours I should be commenting on then drop me a link.
+ Chilling with my dearest mother watching The Heirs and suddenly in the middle of the episode she's like, "IF I~ WERE PARK SHIN HYE I WOULD TAP THAT [Kim Woo Bin] AND LEAVE LEE MINHO TO BE FOREVER ALONE WITH HIS UGLY SWEATERS." Ah, the indefatigable wisdom of mothers. Not that she's wrong, mind you (my favourite is the one that makes him look like a "wall with antique pictures hanging from it", personally).
So yeah, on account of said 35 page report eating my brains, this is not going to be an especially coherent post. Nonetheless, let us gather round and discuss the latest offerings.
+ First of all, I am aware that fandom is positively leaping to diss the teen trash that is this show and therefore, as a wise friend once put it, win at Not Liking The Problematic Thing and Being Too Good For This Genre. But tbqh this show is (near) perfect 2 me. Sorry not sorry but watching attractive miserable people make each other miserable is my way of life. It is what it is, friends. Therefore, unpopular opinions abound.
+ So bored of everyone bitching about Eun Sang's "passivity". If this is actually a "feminist" complaint you have about the show then I would seriously question your supposed understanding of justice. And direct you to this post. Which is actually about Sansa Stark, but same principle applies. Heroines do not owe it to you to be empowered. Especially when they are underprivileged and lower-class and vulnerable to abuse from people much more powerful than they are. The fact that this show stresses Eun Sang and her mother's situation so much is a point in its favour, not yours. Please to be taking your thinly veiled Strong Female Character (TM) misogyny and choking on it.
+ Tan and Young Do's pissing contest is endlessly entertaining to me ngl. Firstly, their man love clearly will go on. Even my mother agrees. ("I think they're secretly attracted to each other and using Park Shin Hye as a proxy.")
Secondly, it is pretty obvious they're making Eun Sang a pawn in their personal war, ergo the aggressive triangularity is a power struggle. Not romance. So long as one keeps this in mind I'm convinced the "romantic" plots become 95% more enjoyable. And lbr the drawn-out sequences in which the three stare at one another with simultaneously enraged and aroused expressions while a dramatic score plays is the highlight of each episode, don't even front like you disagree.
+ Hyo Shin needs his own spinoff, stat.
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Enough said.
+ lol Eun Sang/Tan. Okay, so there are some small things I like. Firstly, that Eun Sang said the setting of their "date" on camp reminded her of Friday the 13th. And then later (obliquely) referred to their relationship as a "horror love story". Ha ha. And despite the fact that I cannot comprehend why anyone would want to date Kim Tan, I think it made sense for Eun Sang to consciously decide to let herself go along with the fantasy since they were far away from home. The whole "dreamcatcher" theme of their relationship is vv consistent. And when Young Do taunted that Tan's only going to ditch her in the end, Eun Sang was literally like, "bitch, I know." THAT'S interesting.
HAVING SAID THAT... this ship is just flat out boring me to death. Imma quote Zoe on this because her words are a balm to the soul tbh:
Indeed. I mean, WTAF was the ending of ep 12?? nhf the two of them staring at each other for five minutes while Lee Min Ho does some weird gasping thing to convey the depth of his emotions. I would rather take the aggressive triangularity, thx.
Also, gdi, Park Shin Hye and Lee Min Ho have negative chemistry. It is genuinely baffling considering their faces but there it is. At this point I just wish the show would cut 90% of their scenes so that this show could be ACTUALLY perfect.
+ The entirety of the pool scene. Only this show, man. Plus, it brought us this. Amen.
+ I love how Young Do complimenting Hyo Shin's angry!voice is now a thing, LMFAO????? Like, "Sunbae, the voice you use when threatening me... is really nice". I mean, yes good, more Hyo Shin worship. Also they should bang. But I am generally of the opinion that Hyo Shin should bang the universe.
+ BONSANG IS REAL. I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THEM HAVING SLEEPOVERS AND HOLDING HANDS ABOUT THEIR GAY LOVE?
+ Still shipping Rachel/Young Do tbqh. I mean, "Normally when two people become siblings they fall in love"/"Now I'm thinking that's the solution to breaking up this marriage"????? YOU DON'T JUST PUT THAT IN FRONT OF ME AND EXPECT ME NOT TO SHIP IT. LIKE.
+ Myung Soo is the most hilarious. I'm convinced that Myung Soo/Young Do along with Bo Na/Eun Sang are basically the most functional relationships on this show, L M A O.
+ Still nocurr whatsoever for Won. Why is he still a character.
+ I resent so much that Eun Sang/Young Do are hitting all my ship kinks but dammit THEY ARE HITTING ALL MY SHIP KINKS???? Like
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Plus, he tossed his classmates' shoes in a bucket of cold water as "revenge" for them talking smack about Eun Sang. And she offered sympathy about his bad family news in the form of "I'll postpone my revenge on you." Like. I am not made of fuckin' stone, people. It is Park Shin Hye and Kim Woo Bin, for the love of Satan.
(I also have a lot of complicated feelings about how they are actually considerably less problematic than Eun Sang/Tan by sheer virtue of the fact that Young Do has zero emotional power in their dynamic. As I said to Zoe: The way the show set up Young Do from the beginning established that Eun-sang owes him nothing - because she was given full license to hate him. (Whereas, Eun-sang/Tan STARTED with her being in his debt. And he has continued to take advantage of that.) I mean, besides the fact that All Girls Want Bad Boys and I only ship it because I want to ride Kim Woo Bin's dick, &c. &c., the power dynamic is just a thousand times more appealing.)
Also, I've decided that they should be BFFs on the basis of their mutual ramyeon noodle appreciation. Bring on the bromance, yo.
+ To conclude:
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+ Today/yesterday I submitted my final massive boring 35 page report required for the completion of my degree. \o/ Ergo, I will now be more alive. \o/ (Or, you know, /o\ depending on your view.) I'm pretty sure I missed a ton of things while in the depths of my final papers, so if you think there's something of yours I should be commenting on then drop me a link.
+ Chilling with my dearest mother watching The Heirs and suddenly in the middle of the episode she's like, "IF I~ WERE PARK SHIN HYE I WOULD TAP THAT [Kim Woo Bin] AND LEAVE LEE MINHO TO BE FOREVER ALONE WITH HIS UGLY SWEATERS." Ah, the indefatigable wisdom of mothers. Not that she's wrong, mind you (my favourite is the one that makes him look like a "wall with antique pictures hanging from it", personally).
+ First of all, I am aware that fandom is positively leaping to diss the teen trash that is this show and therefore, as a wise friend once put it, win at Not Liking The Problematic Thing and Being Too Good For This Genre. But tbqh this show is (near) perfect 2 me. Sorry not sorry but watching attractive miserable people make each other miserable is my way of life. It is what it is, friends. Therefore, unpopular opinions abound.
+ So bored of everyone bitching about Eun Sang's "passivity". If this is actually a "feminist" complaint you have about the show then I would seriously question your supposed understanding of justice. And direct you to this post. Which is actually about Sansa Stark, but same principle applies. Heroines do not owe it to you to be empowered. Especially when they are underprivileged and lower-class and vulnerable to abuse from people much more powerful than they are. The fact that this show stresses Eun Sang and her mother's situation so much is a point in its favour, not yours. Please to be taking your thinly veiled Strong Female Character (TM) misogyny and choking on it.
+ Tan and Young Do's pissing contest is endlessly entertaining to me ngl. Firstly, their man love clearly will go on. Even my mother agrees. ("I think they're secretly attracted to each other and using Park Shin Hye as a proxy.")
Secondly, it is pretty obvious they're making Eun Sang a pawn in their personal war, ergo the aggressive triangularity is a power struggle. Not romance. So long as one keeps this in mind I'm convinced the "romantic" plots become 95% more enjoyable. And lbr the drawn-out sequences in which the three stare at one another with simultaneously enraged and aroused expressions while a dramatic score plays is the highlight of each episode, don't even front like you disagree.
+ Hyo Shin needs his own spinoff, stat.
[X]Enough said.
+ lol Eun Sang/Tan. Okay, so there are some small things I like. Firstly, that Eun Sang said the setting of their "date" on camp reminded her of Friday the 13th. And then later (obliquely) referred to their relationship as a "horror love story". Ha ha. And despite the fact that I cannot comprehend why anyone would want to date Kim Tan, I think it made sense for Eun Sang to consciously decide to let herself go along with the fantasy since they were far away from home. The whole "dreamcatcher" theme of their relationship is vv consistent. And when Young Do taunted that Tan's only going to ditch her in the end, Eun Sang was literally like, "bitch, I know." THAT'S interesting.
HAVING SAID THAT... this ship is just flat out boring me to death. Imma quote Zoe on this because her words are a balm to the soul tbh:
"I'M NOT GOING TO WRONG!SHIP A BORING SHIP, THAT IS JUST ANTITHETICAL TO MY IDEA OF WRONG!SHIPPING AS A WHOLE. I wrong!ship stuff that I can tell is wrong (and hopefully the narrative can too) but it's just so good and/or hitting my ship kinks that I don't even care and can't even help it. But I'm not going to go out of my way to wrong!ship something, THAT IS AN OXYMORON."
Indeed. I mean, WTAF was the ending of ep 12?? nhf the two of them staring at each other for five minutes while Lee Min Ho does some weird gasping thing to convey the depth of his emotions. I would rather take the aggressive triangularity, thx.
Also, gdi, Park Shin Hye and Lee Min Ho have negative chemistry. It is genuinely baffling considering their faces but there it is. At this point I just wish the show would cut 90% of their scenes so that this show could be ACTUALLY perfect.
+ The entirety of the pool scene. Only this show, man. Plus, it brought us this. Amen.
+ I love how Young Do complimenting Hyo Shin's angry!voice is now a thing, LMFAO????? Like, "Sunbae, the voice you use when threatening me... is really nice". I mean, yes good, more Hyo Shin worship. Also they should bang. But I am generally of the opinion that Hyo Shin should bang the universe.
+ BONSANG IS REAL. I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THEM HAVING SLEEPOVERS AND HOLDING HANDS ABOUT THEIR GAY LOVE?
+ Still shipping Rachel/Young Do tbqh. I mean, "Normally when two people become siblings they fall in love"/"Now I'm thinking that's the solution to breaking up this marriage"????? YOU DON'T JUST PUT THAT IN FRONT OF ME AND EXPECT ME NOT TO SHIP IT. LIKE.
+ Myung Soo is the most hilarious. I'm convinced that Myung Soo/Young Do along with Bo Na/Eun Sang are basically the most functional relationships on this show, L M A O.
+ Still nocurr whatsoever for Won. Why is he still a character.
+ I resent so much that Eun Sang/Young Do are hitting all my ship kinks but dammit THEY ARE HITTING ALL MY SHIP KINKS???? Like
[X]Plus, he tossed his classmates' shoes in a bucket of cold water as "revenge" for them talking smack about Eun Sang. And she offered sympathy about his bad family news in the form of "I'll postpone my revenge on you." Like. I am not made of fuckin' stone, people. It is Park Shin Hye and Kim Woo Bin, for the love of Satan.
(I also have a lot of complicated feelings about how they are actually considerably less problematic than Eun Sang/Tan by sheer virtue of the fact that Young Do has zero emotional power in their dynamic. As I said to Zoe: The way the show set up Young Do from the beginning established that Eun-sang owes him nothing - because she was given full license to hate him. (Whereas, Eun-sang/Tan STARTED with her being in his debt. And he has continued to take advantage of that.) I mean, besides the fact that All Girls Want Bad Boys and I only ship it because I want to ride Kim Woo Bin's dick, &c. &c., the power dynamic is just a thousand times more appealing.)
Also, I've decided that they should be BFFs on the basis of their mutual ramyeon noodle appreciation. Bring on the bromance, yo.
+ To conclude:
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Date: 2013-11-19 11:43 pm (UTC)(................)
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Date: 2013-11-19 11:45 pm (UTC)LOL, it's hilarious you are selling Scandal to me as I am already casually watching it as it airs here? Obviously, Cyrus is the greatest. And Liv and Mellie are totally my women. \o/
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Date: 2013-11-19 11:49 pm (UTC)I've seen a couple episodes of Parks & Rec here and there, but I'm yet to get into the swing of it. (I've also heard I shouldn't bother with S1 because it's not that great?)
But nooooooooo, more recs are my downfall. /o\ /o\ /o\
/ugly crying
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Date: 2013-11-19 11:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-11-20 12:57 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-11-20 01:27 am (UTC)Dude, "Billy" is one of my favourites, no regrets. Also, Alexis was super hot in that episode tbqh. /terrible person
Ahem. Yes to all your thoughts. Ruthless!Wesley is the best, the end. Speaking of him and Gunn, my friend William came up with a super interesting analysis of how that bromance started to fall apart once Wesley was promoted to a position where they were no longer on equal footing (followed by Gunn becoming incredibly disillusioned with his former BFF).
I don't remember that bloody!Fred moment. /o\ But I approve of your wrong!shipping. Wrong!shipping is the way. (Also, this reinforces my annoyance with the theory that Wesley ONLY EVER!!! saw Fred as pure and innocent. Like. He was the one who actively helped her plot to kill his professor. Dude.)
Elaborate on your unease with Cordelia's arc? (I mean, it is the grossest, no argument there.) And do you usually not like Gunn? This is exciting -- we haven't talked about this show in great detail before!!
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Date: 2013-11-20 01:37 am (UTC)If/when you can, I vote for a gifset of bruised & battered Alexis Denisof. /kiddie pool
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Date: 2013-11-20 01:41 am (UTC)see but lost girl has lesbians and a succubus as the main character whose sexual appetite leads to her being a total badass. also kenzi, main character succubus' best friend, is a gift.
YOU WILL THANK ME FOR THIS, TRUTH
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Date: 2013-11-20 01:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-11-20 01:52 am (UTC)screaming crying don't look at me
eunsang/youngdo always always always
((this is not a comment. I will be back at a computer within 12 hours - my work days are impressively long - and will leave a new comment then))
due to my FBND watching, I am behind on the Heirs by two episodes.
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Date: 2013-11-20 02:03 am (UTC)what is an arrested orange wire.
L M F A O.
that is a metaphor.
Potent.
KIM WOO BIN IS A DICK, IT IS KNOWN.
Not that you don't already know that because I am not what you call...reticent
At least you are self-aware.
I totally saw your thoughts on Eun Sang around but didn't get around to saying that THE FORCE OF MY AGREEMENT IS STRONGER THAN THE INTENSITY OF THE OT3 EYE-FUCKING. I have had it up to my eyeballs with the victim-blaming effing bullshit surrounding Eun Sang discussion. I mean, I get finding that shit really uncomfortable to watch and just plain not wanting to see it, I really really do. But to completely dismiss the subtler ways in which Eun Sang fights back? I can't deal. Because she DOES fight back. She fights back by basically surviving, by staying resolute in her goal to just get through school so she can get the opportunities she needs to get out of her situation. Sorry not sorry that it doesn't meet faux-feminism's bogus SFC standards. /underground Eun Sang appreciation movement
Also, word to your mother on this show >>>>>>>>> Boys Over Flowers on class issues. One thing that always bugged about that show is how it didn't even seem interested in explaining why F4 (THE HEROES, WHAT) were bullies who drove other students out of school. So so confusing. Whereas on The Heirs there are people actually saying "what use is a conscience?" 100% hft.
I was ready to cry when the last episode ended w/o it #kiddiepool.
UNDERGROUND AGGRESSIVE TRIANGULARITY APPRECIATION MOVEMENT.
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Date: 2013-11-20 02:45 am (UTC)ALSO THE DUDE HAS CHEMISTRY WITH EVERYONE???
It is because he is the sex.
\o/ \o/ \o/ for Rachel/Young Do shippage. I am hoping it might actually become a thing because foreshadowing?? I JUST WANT THEM TO COMBINE FORCES TO TAKE DOWN THEIR FAMILIES WHILE ALSO INSULTING TAN'S WARDROBE. (Speaking of, I am finding it hilarious that Young Do is the worst and yet consistently less objectionable around our women by sheer virtue of Tan being THAT TERRIBLE. HA.)
THE MOMENT SHE SAID THAT THING ABOUT 98TH PLACE SAYING THAT, I SAILED OFF INTO NARNIA, NEVER TO RETURN TO LOOOOOOOVE IS THE MOOOOOOOOOOOMENT.
Same tbh. AH, ZOE, I'VE MISSED HAVING A HOPELESSLY DOOMED WRONG SHIP NGL.
u know they would have sleepovers with bona obv and he would let her paint his nails while he made ramyun and she simultaneously bitched about his grades. it is pretty easily imaginable.
AND I CRY AND MY TEARS ARE ALSO BLOOD. WHY CAN'T THIS BE THE REST OF THE SHOW.
IN CONCLUSION: The 0/10 LJ friends club remains strong.
AND YOUR SHOW IS ON THE LIST, CALM YOUR BRAINS.
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Date: 2013-11-20 02:57 am (UTC)Everyone is telling me I will love Hannibal!!!!! It better be everything I ever dreamed and more!!!!!!!!
I totally ship Hyo-ship him and Rachel super hard, bro. It is like my ideal Rachel endgame ngl.
JOIN ME ON THE GOOD EUN-SANG/YOUNG-DO BRO-SHIP. \o/ I genuinely think they have a better understanding of one another than she and Tan have shown together in all 12 episodes. Like. The only place I differ is that I also think they should make out because, why the fuck not.
BUT I HAVE NEVER FORGOTTEN THE ORIGINAL OTP, YO. I AM STILL WAITING FOR THEM TO REVEAL YOUNG-DO'S SECRET FORMER EPIC CRUSH ON BO-NA DURING THE TIME SHE WAS DATING TAN (which would make the current triangle 50x more hilarious too).
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Date: 2013-11-20 03:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-11-20 03:53 am (UTC)I think the only real update on my sector of LJ is that I did finally get an AO3 and write a bit of fic, so I'm still riding the high of that accomplishment, lol. Otherwise, I regularly mourn the migration of fandom to Tumblr because I miss the sense of community fostered here. Get off my lawn, kids. ;)
I have not seen all those shows, but I would vote for Arrested Development and Parks and Recreation, as they are both favorites of mine. (With Parks & Rec, as with the US Office, the first season is not that great, so you could probably skip straight to S2.) Masters of Sex is on my to-watch list, and I tried Hannibal but couldn't get into it.
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Date: 2013-11-20 05:08 am (UTC)I actually have had some trouble getting into Parks & Rec? Possibly because the episodes I've caught on TV have been out of order. Anyway, let's hope marathoning fares better.
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Date: 2013-11-20 05:36 am (UTC)My mom moved out and it was quietly dramatic. Also I hurt my foot.
Also, MASTERS OF SEX! Favorite new thing. And HANNIBAL. Favorite favorite thing.
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Date: 2013-11-20 05:52 am (UTC)I might or might not be unhealthily obsessed with the line "I had my throat cut, and all my friends abandoned me".no subject
Date: 2013-11-20 05:54 am (UTC)\o/ for you/AO3! I totally have to go creep through all your old fic. :D :D
You know how I feel about Tumblr.
Lots of votes for both Arrested Development and Parks and Rec. Will take under advisement, etc. etc.
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Date: 2013-11-20 06:05 am (UTC)\o/ Godspeed with getting through work.
You know how I feel about you/FBND!!!
But also you MUST catch up on The Heirs because: Eunsang/Youngdo!! BABIES!!!!
/pets the wrong!ship
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Date: 2013-11-20 06:19 am (UTC)Why must you use the lesbian stratagem. /grumble grumble
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Date: 2013-11-20 06:21 am (UTC)(Btw, Wesley would be an absolutely terrifying vampire, wouldn't he?)
Speaking of him and Gunn, my friend William came up with a super interesting analysis of how that bromance started to fall apart once Wesley was promoted to a position where they were no longer on equal footing (followed by Gunn becoming incredibly disillusioned with his former BFF).
Oooh, this makes all the sense! I think Gunn's biggest disillusionment was when he saw how Wesley is capable of sacrificing people for the cause. That's not the way Gunn does things. But Wes? Once a Watcher, always a Watcher. It's the mission that matters. He's too smart for his own good, and he can see the consequences too well.
LOL, pure and innocent Fred. Wesley sees her like this when he wants to see her like this. Fred isn't an illusion for him, she's a consciously built fantasy. Your example is the best example -- they PLOT MURDER together! Wesley knows who Fred is, he just sometimes chooses not to think about it when he entertains a fairy tale fantasy that makes him feel better. I think the most of this misconception that Fred/Wesley is made of cotton candy comes from how they are in s5 -- when they don't have a big chunk of their memories, and everything they do is a bit artificial.
I'm uneasy that Cordelia only became ~truly deep and compassionate when she got those killer visions that tortured her for years. Because they made her ~feel the misery of the world. Lol no. Cordelia always had a good moral compass. Makes sense that witnessing all that pain made her less bubbly, but this arc would've been so much better if her moral growth had simply been a consequence of her growing up, and not a consequence of her being ~corrected by prolonged torture.
It's not that I don't like Gunn -- I like him very much (I like almost everyone on this show tbh). I just usually have trouble connecting to him. I think most of my attitude is the fact that when I first watched AtS, the social/racial context that's very important in his arc was lost to me, and now I'm able to appreciate it much more.
THIS IS SUPER EXCITING, AND I'M SO HAPPY I'M FINALLY REWATCHING THIS SHOW! Today I should get to Wesley kidnapping Connor *_*.
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Date: 2013-11-20 08:37 am (UTC)Hope the foot gets better soon.
Your Hannibal vote is shocking tbh.
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Date: 2013-11-20 08:41 am (UTC)CRYING @ YOUR CHOICE OF GIFSET. I never noticed how done with life baby Connor was (although come to think of it that is consistent).
I might or might not be unhealthily obsessed with the line "I had my throat cut, and all my friends abandoned me".
AS YOU SHOULD BE. Alexis's delivery is everything. Just that slight pause and the way he looks down after he says it. (Yes I have memorised his acting choices, what of it.)